The Hariri Government's Policies: Interview with Prime Minister
Rafiq Al Hariri (Excerpts)
March 21, 1993
Question: Prime Minister, welcome. We are now at the beginning
of spring. We would like to remind you of what you said on Independence
Day. Let us listen to a recording of part of your Independence
Day speech
(Recording of Hariri) On this national day, we pledge not
to stop working until the state stands on firm ground and a new
spring begins that will lay the foundations for a modern state
and a development and construction process which will begin in
the next few years End of recording
Question: Prime Minister, most people see the approach
of spring as hope for a better life and future, But there is also
a group of people who consistently cast doubt on this. What do
you say on this first day of spring?
Hariri: The government is about four months old. We have
been looking at different issues since we assumed office. First,
we decided not to perform mere patchwork, because that would be
useless. There are several thorny issues. Past governments have
always sought to put them aside because they involved problems.
Of course, it is difficult to try to solve all these issues at
once. It is not right to try to solve the problems of electricity,
water, telephones, and the airport at once and to keep the people
waiting until they are solved. We devised several rehabilitation
programs to be carried out quickly, especially on issues that
are closely connected with people's daily lives, such as electricity
and telephones. Some things are moving faster than we expected
and some a little slower. Some things have faced obstacles, but
in general things are moving... I can make mistakes. I can try
to do something and not succeed. But I will not say something
and not do it.
Question: Prime Minister, there are doubts concerning your
program of which you may be aware. Yesterday I saw a cartoon in
al-nahar; it implied that what you promised could not be
done. How do you explain these doubts?
Hariri: I do not see a campaign of doubts. I see people
wanting things to move quickly, which is natural in a democratic
country. The people were not convinced with the war, which is
why, when there was a lull after the shelling and killing you
saw the Lebanese rush to repair their homes and shops. They did
this because they did not believe in the war and its continuation.
When the war ended, the individual Lebanese said: "Take me
back to where I was before the war." Regrettably, it is
impossible to take the people back.
Question: Prime Minister let us look at the high cost of
living and services. the Lebanese are interested in what is going
to be done now. We talk about long-term plans, but we must first
finish with the streets that need repairing, the sewage system,
things that are urgent.
Hariri: You are right. What the Lebanese citizen says is
more than accurate. That is why we have submitted a plan to raise
the standard of services in Beirut's suburbs. The chamber of deputies
studies the plan and made additions, including the ring road and
highways. The plan for raising the standard of services in the
suburbs is designed to end problems of this kind. We know of these
problems, and we realize their importance. Money is required.
We know this. We submitted the plan to the chamber of deputies
some time ago and committees have started considering it. We are
awaiting approval to start its implementation... The signs are
encouraging. I understand that the plan will be considered in
the chamber of deputies 'first session after the Easter/Ramadan
holiday.
Question: Can we understand , Prime Minister, that the
rehabilitation of the southern suburbs is linked with the approval
of the master plan to develop the suburbs? Or can we separate
the two?
Hariri: Listen, the issue of the southern suburbs is a
big one . This is one of the major thorny issues that has not
been dealt with. Problems have accumulated until now. There are
Lebanese citizens in the southern suburbs who live in unsatisfactory
circumstances which we ,as a government do not accept. Had these
people been able to live better ,they would have done so. Over
the years the state has done nothing for them. Complaints as
to why they live like this and why they live on property belonging
to others or to though the dollar exchange rate fell after the
government assumed office, prices have not dropped.
Hariri: It is not true to say prices have not fallen. What
is correct is that the people's income is low. That is the main
problem.
Question: What is the solution, Prime Minister?
Hariri: The solution is for the wheel of the economy to
start moving. There is no other solution. The people's income
must rise, the situation must be monitored, and ways must be stable..
We are in the process of adopting a number of measures to set
the wheel of the economy in motion.
Question: Do you have any dates? when will the electricity
and telephone services improve?
Hariri: Let me tell you about the program and give you
the dates... there are a number of programs for the electricity
sector: the first involves repairing malfunctions, which is already
under way. There are repairmen handling malfunctions wherever
they occur. Second, we have called for bids to service all existing
equipment, repair the network, and add a new network. This will
be the first program of its kind in Lebanon.
Question: How long will it take to do this?
Hariri: Between 18 and 24 months. The third issue involves
inviting companies to bid to install 300 megawatts of turbo-gas.
The megawatt plan will be ready within a year and another 150
megawatts will be added to them once they are combined. In a year
we will have 300 megawatts; a year after that we will have 450
megawatts. Thus, the 1,250 megawatts that we have will have been
serviced. some 1,000 megawatts will have to be generated from
machines several years old, but they will be overhauled. We will
also have 300 megawatts from brand new machines, which will be
operational in approximately one year. Another 150 megawatts will
be added to them, bringing the total output from the new machines
to 450 megawatts. Meanwhile, we are studying the installation
of a steam-operated power plant to produce 450 megawatts. This
type is of better quality, but it will take some time to install;
between 36 and 42 months. This could be part of the Italian loan,
which has already been discussed, if the Italian offer turns out
to be more favorable than others.
Question: What about the telephones?
Hariri: We have 450,000 telephone line in Lebanon, 220,000
of which are automatic.. These lines are underground and they
malfunction easily. When you talk to someone, he hears you, but
you don't hear him. Sometimes your telephone works and sometimes
it doesn't. These lines cost a lot to repair. They work one month
and not another. the government had decided to replace them, to
get rid of them, something which should have been done long ago.
Had previous officials done so, they would have relieved us and
the people of the trouble... We have invited tenders. To buy
a telephone line on the market costs approximately $240. The
cost of 220,000 lines will be around $47 million to $48 million.
We invited the world's most important firms to make their bids
.Their price was between $33 million to $48 million. The minister
met them before they submitted their bids and asked them to offer
the best prices, because the government would accept the least
expenses offer. He told them there would no illegal commission
by public officials or anything of the sort .Some people believed
it and others did not. Then something strange happened. For
the first time in my life, I saw the cost of a line fall to $100.
Question: Is the standard of technology high?
Hariri: The highest. It comes from the world's best firms.
Question: So what will happen?
Hariri: Next week we will sign up for 280,000 lines - not
220,000 - at a price of between $25million and $28 million. We
could even go up to 300,000 lines, costing from $90 to $100 each.
They will be installed within six months from the date the contract
is signed. The first lines to become operational will start up
three months from the contract date, so they will be operational
in six months. The companies need three months to transport them
and get organized and another three months to install them. The
most important thing is that the tenders show that Lebanon is
a serious country and one in which there is no fooling around.
Question: So, can we say that telephones will improve after
six months?
Hariri: After six months, all old telephone exchanges will
have been modified. Work, to modify the telephone networks is
already under way. The telephone problem in Lebanon involves the
central exchanges, the network among these exchanges, and the
network between central exchanges and homes. The latter is the
most complicated. After 21 days, we will submit a tender to repair
all networks and install 500,000 new telephone lines. They will
take 24 months to install. this will take Lebanon to the threshold
of the twenty-first century. Every citizen will receive a telephone
in a dignified manner; he will not have to beg for this or that.
Question: Some say that you are Islamizing the country
and words indistinct.
Hariri: That is the argument of those who lack logic and
proof. It is really shameful. Lebanon is a country that changes
thought... I believe in what I am about to say, and I have said
it before: all those who work with me belong to the various religions.
I have never viewed a man according to his religion. I have always
looked at him according to his ability. Therefore, I should be
the last to be accused of this charge.
Question; I have a question about this. Some people.
Hariri: (interrupting) This accusation lacks objectivity.
What do they mean by saying I am Islamizing the country? I believe
more than anyone else that this country must not be ruled by any
one individual, sect, group, or party. This country survives only
through reconciliation. Any attempt to believe the contrary will
lead Lebanon into a tunnel from which it will not emerge. There
were attempts in the past; I experienced them and their problems;
I lived with the people who thought this way. I know how they
ended up; I was one of those who advised them that the country
could not be ruled that way. We did not die, but we know who did
die. Laughter.
Question: I would like to discuss the issue from a different
angle, Mr. Prime Minister. It is natural for people to think that
you mix being a businessmen with being a prime Minister. some
opposition elements are talking about this. They say that things
are being run with a board of director's mentality.
Hariri: What things?
Question: Reconstruction projects, and even political affairs.
Hariri: That is not accurate. It is true that certain things
are being managed like business; for example the question of telephones,
in which we are negotiating to get the cheapest price and the
best quality. We do not deny this; on the contrary, we are proud
of it. Regarding the political sphere, it is being managed politically.
It is the people who judge a politician. Did we handle the question
of Palestinian deportees with a business mentality?
Question: Mr. Prime Minister ,some note that from your
position as a politician, you are buying Media establishments.
There are now a number of Media establishment that enjoy your
support and in which you own most of the shares. The question
of the Media is being debated in the country ,and there are some
illegal establishments competing with Lebanon 's national television
station.
Hariri: If you are talking about my Mustaqbal television
station, it was established before I became Prime Minister. It
will be the first to respect any law enforced by the state .The
government will pass legislation, but, as I said before it will
not do anything about the media without an understanding with
the media.Such moves should not be viewed as an attempt to curb
the media 's freedom. We have two challenges regarding the media
:maintaining the freedom of expression and the press on the one
hand ,and respecting the law on the other . Some audio and visual
establishments are operating with authorization. The government
is supposed to solve this problem. But the subject is sensitive
and it should not be misunderstood. Some governments tried to
address this problem in the past ,but things were misunderstood.
I am leaving this for some time until the media representatives
realize that a reorganization, at the end of the day serves them
and the country. It is not the freedom of the press or expression
that is targeted. On the contrary we want the media to give the
best it can.
Question: Let us now examine reconstruction, the economic
development plan, and the project to develop Beirut's commercial
center. Some people do not believe the plan for the reconstruction
of Beirut's commercial center should be carried out by a single
engineering company.
Hariri: Are you talking about the reconstruction of Lebanon
or the reconstruction plan for the old commercial center?
Question: The commercial center. Others are asking for
some amendments to the status of the real estate company managing
reconstruction in the old city center. Is an amendment acceptable
in principle?
Hariri: Your question is twofold: first, the plans for the commercial center's buildings should not be drawn up by a single engineering company. This is 100 % true and I agree with it. I believe this should be avoided if we are to avoid having a city whose buildings all look the same. I do not think we are really doing this. There is a master plan showing offices, hotels, houses, etc. The designs for these buildings will be offered by Lebanese and non-Lebanese architects, and we will choose the best. Dozens of local and international architects and engineering offices, therefore, will propose designs, and sketches for the commercial center. You cannot have fifty engineering offices working on the master plan. You choose one company and discuss its plans; this is what has happened. As regards amendments to the status of the single real estate company, the status was issued by decree. .If anything basic need to be amended ,we will amended it. We are not inflexible. If anything is needed for the public interest ,we will do it. No one has proposed anything in this regard .No one ,for example, proposed that article such-and -such be amended in any way. Everything I heard boils down to one thing: stop this project. I do not believe this would be in the interest of the country. We wish to hear any idea for such improvement.